sebpatrick

sebpatrick:

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circlingskeleton:

trying-to-resonate-concrete:

Well, it appears that three episodes of series 8 - Phil Ford’s episode 2, Stephen Thompson’s episode 5, and Gareth Robert’s episode 6 - now credit Steven Moffat as co-writer. Interesting, In other news, I’m much more excited for episode 5 then I was before.

Oh, what delightful news for fans of Moffat’s writing/people who want ammunition for Moffat’s unrelenting desire to stick his ruinous fingers into other writer’s work.

One need not ask what side I make my camp in.

Agreed. This is absolutely great news for all of those people who like to religiously watch the work of someone they vehemently dislike for no other reason than to loudly and grumpily get in the way of everyone else’s fun and feel smugly superior for liking less television than everyone else, failing to grasp story lines that thousands of eight-year-olds have no problem with, and ignoring the voices and actions of the women in the story so that they can get off on confirmation bias instead.

Fortunately, those of us who actually like the show will be giddily ignoring them. Or arguing with them. Whichever comes first.

It is worth pointing out, although Moffat-haters will of course happily ignore it so maybe it isn’t, that Russell was very heavily involved in the rewriting of almost every episode (save for certain “untouchable” writers including Moffat and Matthew Graham), to the extent that if he’d fought for the credit his work actually warranted, he’d have been the primary named writer on about 80% of all Doctor Who produced during his tenure.

And he even admitted in The Writer’s Tale that when it came to getting his name on the 2009 specials, it was basically a case of finally deciding he deserved to get some of the credit.

So anything that people might accuse Moffat of right now is something that Russell has already done.

Like I say, though, this won’t stop them. HE’S GONE MAD WITH POWER, they’ll say. ONLY AGENT CAPALDI CAN SAVE US NOW!!!1111

Moffat haters aren’t too keen on things like facts.

spaceyspaceyspace said:

Bro you make good points, but you /wrong/ about S4! My fundamental objection to Moffat: his companions are less like real ppl than RTD’s. I’m not an orphan model who’s childhood friends with the Doctor. I’m far more like a temp or shop worker.

I’m not wrong about series 4. There were four good episodes - “Silence in the Library”, “Forest of the Dead”, “Midnight” and “Turn Left” (which, in fairness, does represent about a third of the series, or a quarter if we count the 2009 specials) - but the rest was… well, it wasn’t great, was it? “Partners in Crime” remains the worst series premiere in the revived show’s history and, Donna’s fate aside, “The Stolen Earth”/”Journey’s End” is a sloppy, slapdash mess of a story that feels like badly-written fanfiction.

One of the things Moffat did with his companions, in particular Amy and Rory, that I really like, is that they weren’t London based. They came from a very small village with duck pond and a post office, and that’s different. That’s a side of England Doctor Who hadn’t shown before, and the one time it was shown in Torchwood it was full of homocidal maniacs. Amy and Rory felt, and continue to feel, like they had lives of their own, that they had stuff going on away from their adventures with the Doctor, even when they were living full-time in the TARDIS during series 6.

Clara took a while to come together because Moffat made the mistake of putting the mystery before the character, as opposed to the other way ‘round, but with certain developments in DotD, TotD and stuff that is rumored to be happening in series 8, it sounds like she’s starting to develop as a character a bit more. Which is nice.

timsutton asked:

RE: That Moffat gif, I remember when we were chatting a while ago I asked "I'm about two seasons behind but why do people hate Moffat so much?" Well I'm completely caught up now and I still don't really get the hate at all, I liked S5-7 way more than S1-4 on the whole.

I have some problems with seasons 6 and 7. 6 feels like it was produced largely from first-draft scripts, while 7 has far too many silly, glib moments, not to mention the fact that Clara doesn’t really come into her own as a companion until “The Name of the Doctor”, and doesn’t feel like an actual person until “The Night of the Doctor”.

That said, season 5 is still, still the best season of the show since it’s return in 2005, closely followed by seasons 1 and 3. Season 6 had some of my all-time favorite episodes including “The Doctor’s Wife”, “The Girl Who Waited”, “The God Complex” and “A Good Man Goes to War”. Season 7 gave us a fitting farewell for the Ponds, the return of the Ice Warriors, a vastly superior Cyberman redesign, and easily the best anniversary special the show has had in its entire 50-year run.

Moffat has his flaws. He’s not kind to women, he gets far too wrapped up in silly sitcom moments, and his villains lack depth. I don’t mean to sweep these things away because they are issues and they should be discussed. But his strengths as a writer and a showrunner are exceptionally valuable. He may not be knocking ‘em out the park like he did with his stories during RTD’s era, but he’s making great (or, at the very least, good) telly that’s fun to watch and keeps you on your toes.

And, if nothing else, at least it’s not season 4 which, Donna Noble aside, was largely rubbish.

You can’t legitimately claim that Russell T Davies cares more about the canon that came before him than Steven Moffat does when the absolute first thing Russell T Davies actually did was kill off the Time Lords.

Remember the Time Lords? Hoity buggers in silly hats? Introduced in “The War Games”, way back in 1969? Put the Doctor on trail for an entire season in the 80s? Yeah, Russell T Davies killed the lot of ‘em. That whole “Last of the Time Lords” thing isn’t 50 years old, y’know.

Moffat didn’t do anything that literally every showrunner before him had done. What’s more, he actively worked to preserve canon by making sure the twelve-regeneration limit was adhered to, even after spending the last four years telling us it wasn’t important and he doesn’t understand why people get hung up on it.

You also can’t say RTD isn’t self-congratulatory. Have you read any of his interviews? Have you read “The Writer’s Tale”? Did you ever actually watch Doctor Who Confidential?

Good grief.

sebpatrick

sebpatrick:

thunderwingdoomslayer:

gallifreyanconsultingdetective:

ace-mcshane:

frecklestherobot:

gallifreyanconsultingdetective:

One of my favourite shows:

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Do you see my problem

That you don’t actually like Doctor Who?

That you only like RTD-era Who and are being unnecessarily passive-aggressive toward the Moffat era in order to make your opinion seem relevant? 

You are not understanding. Let me break it down for you:

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"Doesn’t pass the Bechdel test". Fuck’s sake.

Pretty sure Russell does most if not all of the things listed alongside Moffat’s picture, as it goes. But yeah, whatever, the creator of the married lesbian interspecies couple and co-creator of Captain Jack Harkness is definitely “queerphobic”.

"Keeps to the canon storyline and rules". That manages to be pathetic and inaccurate.

Those infographics are giving me some spectacular second-hand embarrassment right now.

surfingwavefunctions

surfingwavefunctions:

benpaddon:

To the people who hated “The Day of the Doctor” because they think it somehow undoes the Russell T Davies, I have one simple question:

Why is it okay for Russell T Davies to destroy Gallifrey, and not okay for Steven Moffat to restore it?

Answers on a post card.

Short version: RTD destroying Gallifrey did not change anything about the story of the show before his era; all that was left intact to be exactly what the original writers intended. What Moffat did in TDotD was to go back and insert his own version of events in previous eras that were at odds with what the original writers wrote and intended. Bringing back Gallifrey was not the problem, it’s the particular way it was done.
If you’re keen on the long version, let me know.

Except that’s actual, palpable nonsense because not only did Moffat consult with RTD before writing “The Day of the Doctor”, but RTD approved of and loved the episode.

Also, RTD has made actual, canonical retcons to classic Who. He fundamentally changed the nature of Regeneration not once but twice (“The Christmas Invasion” and “Journey’s End”), he changed Rassilon from a benevolent leader into an amoral, power-mad dictator (“The End of Time”), and he changed the Macra from hyper-intelligent creatures to simple beasts just because he thought dropping them into “Gridlock” would be cool.

But then, Doctor Who is a show built on retcons. In the original pilot, the Doctor and his Granddaughter are from the distant future, not another planet. Susan is said to have named the TARDIS, but this is explicitly contradicted by “The Time Meddler” and “The War Games”. The Ice Warriors aren’t supposed to be called Ice Warriors, but that’s the name they’ve been stuck with and so it’s been folded into their lore. Andrew Cartmell’s time as Script Editor was predicated upon massive, massive retcons for the character of the Doctor as well as the history of Gallifrey itself… and we didn’t even get to see all of it!

The fact is that Doctor Who is constantly in flux. There will be marked eras, periods in the show’s history where things change. That’s good. The Ninth and Tenth Doctor’s journey is not undone by the apparent revelation that the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors helped the War Doctor save the planet. Moffat’s retcons do not undo the RTD era any more than RTD’s retcons undo Cartmell’s, or Cartmell’s undoes any that came before him.

Getting pissy about the fluctuating history of a show about time travel is like yelling at a chocolate brownie for not being an ice cream sandwich.

vaspider

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#midnight is a fucking tERRIFYING EPISODE okay

Severely underrated episode.

It’s a testament to just how brilliant “Midnight” is that when jaybushman and I had a conversation about it after it aired he was convinced it was written by Moffat.

montypla said:

Series 2 is really brought down by them still trying to convince us there was romance between Ten and Rose.

See, that is in and of itself not a bad idea, and I don’t have a problem with Rose and the Tenth Doctor falling for each other. The biggest problem I had with series 2, really, was Rose’s entire demeanor.

When we love someone, we pick up on their traits, ticks. We borrow bits of them. A smile, a laugh, a turn of phrase. We fold them up and wrap them into ourselves because they’re part of someone we love. Rose very quickly picked up on a lot of the Tenth Doctor’s worst traits very quickly, and mirrored those back at him. Worse, they became what defined her as a character during series 2 - that cocky, arrogant rudeness. Add to that a casual blase indifference to her surroundings, a selfishness… I really grew to dislike that. I didn’t like Rose much during series 2.

The moment when she abandons her mother in the parallel world… that was the moment I stopped caring about Rose. And you can tell the Doctor wasn’t happy about it either.

Of course, the Tenth Doctor is cocky and arrogant too, but I wasn’t particularly fond of that either. The Tenth Doctor’s worst moment, indisputably, is the “I’m the Doctor, I’m a Time Lord…” speech from “Voyage of the Damned” - a cocky, arrogant bit of grandstanding, and I’m rather pleased with the way Moffat opted to poke fun at it in “The Day of the Doctor”.

Mind you, I can forgive series 2 of a lot of its faults. RTD wasn’t entirely confident the show would make it to a second series, even though he had plans and had seeded stuff throughout that the first series to lead into the second. Series 2 is the Difficult Second Album, and the first series, for all its faults, is still thirteen episodes of near-perfect telly. It set a high bar that was difficult to top. Series 3 came dangerously close, especially with that finale, but series 2 floundered a little.

Still, Nothing is as bad as the bulk of series 4. I’d rather watch “Cyberwoman” than “Partners in Crime”.

Say what you want about Moffat’s abilities as a showrunner, but as uneven as series 6 was, as bumpy asseries 7 may have been, his (to date) three series are at least consistent and hold together well. The same cannot be said for series 4, Russell T Davies’ last series which, despite the strength of “Silence in the Library” right the way through to “Turn Left” (an incredible run of four cracking episodes), is mostly shit.

I love Donna Noble. She’s probably my favourite of the new-era companions. But - but! - she has the misfortune of appearing in the worst overall series of the show since its return in 2005.

Series 2 is a bit wonky too, while we’re at it.